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Py Hyung E Dan Applications

Hello I am a third Dan instructor in Tang Soo Do, I am planning to do a full break down of Py Hyung E Dan incoperating inspiration from Iain's work  and other Japanese instructors I have leanred from and make my own application video from the Korean version of the form. I would really appreciate any feedback on what I am doing as if this one is successful (makes sense and works) I would like to eventually like to do one for all the forms in my association. As Iain has done for the Japanese forms. A lot of the principles will be identical and similar to what you all already practice but there is so little Korean form applications out there I am trying to find a way to put it all together for a full self defence drill/ model. I will post the video as soon as i've done my first session on it next week. 

Anf
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I'll be interested in seeing your applications when you've prepared it all.

Do you mean pyung ahn e dan by the way? What association are you with, is it the WTSDA ?

Iain Abernethy
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Tigger TSD wrote:
I will post the video as soon as i've done my first session on it next week.

Awesome! We look forward to it. Could you post the link below when you’ve filmed it? I will then embed it.  

All the best,

Iain

Tigger TSD
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Yes that is the form, never sure of the correct Korean way of writing it in English form. Yes i'm WTSDA. 

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Here is the video. It is a bit rough and ready but I hope I explain my ideas enough. I would just like to say that without the guidence and help from yourself I would have never thought this way or been able to start this journey. I have taken many of your concepts and adapted them for this Korean form. I hope you don't mind and I am eager to hear what you think.

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Here are the cliff notes form Pyung Sam Dan. Again any feedback would be great

Oerjan Nilsen
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Keep them coming :-)

Marc
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Here are the cliff notes form Pyung Sam Dan. Again any feedback would be great

I like it. Lot's of good ideas in there.

For people looking for bunkai applications of Pinan/Heian Sandan it might be worth noting that Pyung Ahn Sam Dan is basically the same as the karate kata.

Take care,

Marc

Iain Abernethy
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Thanks for sharing! I’m happy to see the Korean section get much more active in recent weeks! Brilliant!

All the best,

Iain

johnbrinda
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Great work. I'm hoping to film a section of Eung Yong for Pyung Ahn Yi Dan during class tonight. So I'll post it on this forum. Tang Soo!!

Tigger TSD
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Thank you, we are planning to do one of these classes a month, So the next one will be Pyung Sah Dan.

Iain Abernethy
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Thank you, we are planning to do one of these classes a month, So the next one will be Pyung Sah Dan.

I look forward to it! I shared the video on Facebook yesterday and it has got some good feedback:

https://www.facebook.com/iainabernethy/posts/1786090054781569

All the best,

Iain

Tigger TSD
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Thank you so much sir, my Thunder Buddy and I will be attending your class on Saturday, very excited about training with you again. Thank you so much for sharing the post, really appreciate all the positive response

Tigger TSD
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Sorry it's a month late but we had snow. But here is the video for application for Py Hyung Sah Dan

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Sorry it's a month late but we had snow. But here is the video for application for Py Hyung Sah Dan

I very much like the language analogy used to describe not only how the parts of a form can be used in any order but also to compare different martial arts as different languages.

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Sorry it's been a while but since my seminar looking at the 4 elements of forms I am starting a new approach to the forms. Starting with outr first form Pyung Ahn Cho Dan I hope you enjoy this video. Any feedback would be very useful as I am still exploring a lot of these concepts and they are no way fully realised but more a workshop

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Thanks for posting that new video. There are many good ideas in there, and you explore a lot of the potential of the techniques in various ways.

Also your group seem like a bunch of really nice folks who have fun working the applications and even when adding resistance still are careful with their partners.

Side note for karateka: The form is the same as the karate kata Pinan Nidan/Heian Shodan.

Thanks and take care,

Marc  

Josh Pittman
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Thanks for posting! I've been puzzling for some time over what to do with the soo do right after the low block. Sometime soon, I will record and share my own explanation for the three high blocks.

Tigger TSD
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Thank you, appreciate you taking the time to check it up. WIll hopefully have a new one out next month

Tigger TSD
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thank you for the kind comments

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Here's my theory on the high blocks. Again, thanks! I'm very glad to see good analysis of the Korean forms.

Tigger TSD
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I love this look at it. Will certainly add this to my drills and applications as I love the simplicity of it. Thank you for sharing

Tigger TSD
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Here are the cliff notes from our latest Red Belt Class, where we look at Pyung Ahn E Dan . Didn't get as much footage as last time but I hope you understand what we were trying to do

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Here are the cliff notes from our latest Red Belt Class, where we look at Pyung Ahn E Dan.

Thanks for posting the video. Well done!

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Didn't get as much footage as last time but I hope you understand what we were trying to do

I do understand what you were trying to do very well because most of your applications are almost exactly what I teach for the karate kata Heian NIdan/Pinan Shodan.

Take care,

Marc

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Here is an update to my thoughts of Pyung Ahn Sam Dan. First part for element 2 is the smae as last year but have added a new flow drill and way of making the form live in element 4. hope you enjoy and sorry it's so long

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Here is an update to my thoughts of Pyung Ahn Sam Dan. First part for element 2 is the smae as last year but have added a new flow drill and way of making the form live in element 4. hope you enjoy and sorry it's so long

I watched about half way through your video and was thoroughly impressed. I did TSD for about 5 years and moved up through the grades but sadly we didn't get to study any of the applications beyond the odd little very brief snippet here and there. The applications you show fit in with other styles I practiced before and since. In particular, the arm bars, throws, and escapes from such are similar to what we train now in our combined aikido and jiu-jitsu class.

I'll be watching your video again later when I have more time and less distraction, after the kids have gone to bed. Then I can put you on the telly screen rather than squinting at my phone :)

Marc
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Great new video with lots of appealing aplications. I also like the idea of the flow drill where the partner suddenly switches from cooperative to aggresive.

Thanks for sharing.

Take care,

Marc

Tigger TSD
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Thank you for your kind words. I am trying to make TSD more like this and my students are much better for it. So please let me know if you enjoy the other vids. 

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Thank you for your kind words. I am trying to make TSD more like this and my students are much better for it. So please let me know if you enjoy the other vids. 

I did watch the video in full and on the telly as I said I would, and was even more impressed. I liked how you offered multiple possible applications of the same move from the form. This has always made sense to me. We see it all the time in basics, where for example a block can be a block, a strike or a takedown etc. People accept this, yet often some of those same people argue over the literal interpretation of a form. You showed multiple options for the same move, and that's great. I also liked how you told your students to find what works for them. My experience of tsd was largely along the lines of, 'its this way, you need this for your grade'. That basically meant middle aged folk with the odd chronic injury and general life related wear and tear trying to perfect the more acrobatic kicks while flexible and super agile young kids are trying to nail the close quarters grappling aspects. Martial art is of course anything but 'one size fits all' and you seem to emphasise that in your video.

i also liked that you noted and acknowledged the roots in Japanese karate. I think here TSD is victim of a combination of politics and commercial success. Tang soo do is karate. In fact the two terms used to have the exact same translation until some swapped 'tang' to 'empty' to make 'the way of the empty hand' instead of 'the way of the Chinese hand' {incidentally I don't believe the 'hand' part is literal, more like a craftsman turns his hand to something, but that's another topic entirely). The point about the Koreans adding the kicks in Sam Dan to generate more power over a stronger opponent for instance. Politically, after the end of japanese control of Korea, the Koreans naturally wanted to put their own stamp on things. They liked kicking (taekyun for example) so why not just take karate as a base and put more emphasis on kicks. Makes sense to me. Then of course commercial success comes, with the WTSDA becoming a global corporation. Like any corporation it needs a unique selling point. So the acknowledgement that it is just a style of karate gets swept under the carpet a bit and it becomes an ancient, uniquely Korean style. I liked your acknowledgement that it is karate, and in doing so, kind of letting your students know that if they want to pursue it further or see it from a slightly different perspective, there are lots of ways they can do that.

Heath White
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Speaking as a TSD practitioner, this video is great on a lot of levels, and I'm glad to see the practical side of karate getting some exposure in the TSD community.  Well done!

Tigger TSD
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A lot of this video you can skip if you know Iain's Flow Drill for this form, but I did add some stuff in the middle that might be of interest to some of you. Let me know what you think

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