After recently doing a seminar with Iain on karate gripping and ground fighting I was wondering whether tegumi still exists in Okinawa? What's it like? What sources do we have on what tegumi was like when karate was being formed? How does it differ now?
A google search of tegumi mostly brings up modern karateka doing lots of tegumi inspired drills but not much on tegumi itself as far as I can see.
As I understand it, from people who have been to Okinawa frequently, and even lived there, tegumi is still practiced here and there, usually in rural towns, and they rarely call it "tegumi"--the term "muto" is apparently much more common. I'm guessing "tegumi" might have been a more modern term, or more "proper." It seems like it is still pretty much as-described by Funakoshi and Nagamine, so basically a no-gi, folkstyle submission wrestling contest, although it didn't sound like teaching it is a very formal thing. I get the impression it's kind of like your uncle teaching you how to do a sleeper hold when you're a kid so you can pull it out when you're wrestling with your friends. I doubt I'll see it on my upcoming trip to Okinawa, since we have a very precise itinerary, but hopefully the next time I go, I can explore more widely.
As for the "tegumi" that comes up in searches, you are likely seeing Patrick McCarthy's tegumi drills which, honestly, as far as I can tell, have nothing to do with the tegumi described by Funakoshi and Nagamine, and much more in common with kakidi/kakie practices.
Funakoshi describes the tegumi of his youth as being a “primitive sport” with “few rules”. This section from Karate-Do: My Way of Life describes it:
Shoshin Nagamine’s book Tales of Okinanwa’s Great Masters has a section where specifically talks about renown practitioners of Tegumi. He discusses the evolution of the sport and while taking about post-war tegumi he states:
He also includes some writing from an article written by a Kushino Taro called Post-War Sumo in Okinawa:
Nagamine himself also comments on the post war development of Tegumi, including:
It seems that Tegumi underwent a name change just as karate did (“Chinese-hand” to “empty-hand”). So, Tegumi lost a lot of its techniques, had standardised rules introduced, and evolved into today’s “Shima” or “Okinawan Sumo”. You can see that here:
Here is some more footage from just a few years ago:
It, therefore, seems it has followed a very similar path to karate in that its modern sporting incarnation is quite different from the more “all in” system it developed from. It now looks to be a throwing only sport from a fixed grip. However, the older descriptions point to something much more open with striking, hairpulling and pinching being the main things that were prohibited. Old Tegumi did allow submissions and locks such that the win was determined by tapping out; whereas modern Shima determines the winner by getting the opponent’s back to touch the floor. Funakoshi pointing to multiple opponent variants also shows that Tegumi was much wider in scope than its modern expression.
All the best,
Iain
That is very interesting. It also makes me wonder if this had an impact on kata design. After I started exploring the fundamentals of wrestling, I discovered that it really helped the kata bunkai come to life for me. The applications were easier to see and I also had a better idea of how to set them up. If it was historically common for Okinawan youths of a certain social class to have exposure to wrestling (or even significant experience with it), that might be a useful piece of information to keep in mind when exploring kata bunkai. If I were a teacher and I knew that 70 to 80% of my class had at least rudimentary wrestling skills, that would definitely skew the way I structured my curriculum and solo drills.
I've commented on this before, but I've also seen evidence in kata bunkai of the creators possessing what I would consider to be a substantial level of wrestling skill. For example, the powerful throw at the end of Kanku-Dai (a variation of the fireman's carry). If Kushanku (who I understand to be of Chinese origin) had a strong background in shuai jiao, it would be interesting to think of how that might have influenced his teachings and syllabus.
I also wonder whether standing armbars were a common feature of old-style tegumi. If so, perhaps that's why we see defenses against them included in the kata (i.e., Heian Sandan and Ji'in). Similarly, if there were some relationship between tegumi and karate, perhaps that's why we see such an emphasis on wrist grab defense and lapel grab defense in the kata. Those are useful skills outside the context of jacket wrestling, but they take on an entirely new level of importance when you are fighting someone who has some awareness of using your lapel or wrist to set up a takedown or hold.
Just a few speculative considerations. I confess that I don't know much about the history of karate.
It's an intereseting thought. If tegumi wrestling was broadly practiced, one would expect assailants ("villains and ruffians") to fall back on this kind of grappling when under stress, i.e. when victims defend themselves. It then makes sense for the defender to have action plans ready against typical grappling attempts. Maybe a few more than might seem necessary for us today where experience in wresting is not so common. I agree that katas are full of (anti-)grappling (anti-)takedown methods.
All the best,
Marc
This is a very interesting topic. From what I can gather from the posts herein, tegumi is in fact, play fighting. And by that I mean no disrespect at all. According to Iain's post above, Funakoshi noted that kids have been wrestling for as long as they could play anything. This is true. I wrestle my kids and they wrestle each other. No rules except that nothing that is likely to deliberately hurt. That's play fighting.
I'd be interested to know which edition of karate do kyohan that description is in though. I've read the version I have from cover to cover but not seen that section. I think my edition is pretty recent. Perhaps it's an older edition that describes it?
I don’t think we can really say that. Funakoshi did state:
He also says:
So, it was taken very seriously and people were hurt.
Like you, I too like to wrestle and “play fight” with my kids, but I’ve never knocked one of them out, forced them to tap out, or needed “referees” to avoid injury :-)
It does sound like there was fun being had, but I’m not sure the term “play fighting” would be accurate.
I think you may have misread the post:
The section is not in “Kyohan”, but in “My Way of Life”. My favourite karate book! I hope that helps.
All the best,
Iain
Karate my way of life by Funakoshi was a huge inspiration as a child and I still love it! I was taught from the beginning that "anything that could happen in a fight was Karate" and we had to be able deal with it. Wrestlers for the most part are extremely Hardy and well conditioned athletes that love to duel. If you can do breakfall, roll, and clinch any decent folk wrestler would be glad to practice their takedowns while you get to practice defence. Freestyle, catch, Grecko, Judo tend to do more high risk dangerous throws/takedowns so be ready before you play. MMA gyms are usually filled with wrestlers that can strike or at least defend decently so it's a great way to practice any applications with a durable Uke. Boxing, and Western kickboxing, Muay Thai, Shoot box, Sanshou are usually cool with working striking to clinch/ body lock as long as they get to hit you. We live in an awesome time to do Karate-jutsu! I'm gonna go play!
All the best,
Jeb