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Iain Abernethy
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Old Finnish military combat methods video

Hi All,

Here is an old video on Finnish military combat methods. It’s an interesting watch which I’m sure you will enjoy … and this is probably only one of the few places on earth that can be said with sincerity! ;-) I know that we “martial enthusiasts” love such historical material though and I’d grateful to Stewart Squire for making me aware of it.

All the best,

Iain

Scott McCallum
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At 13:08 there is a hip throw straight out of kushanku, Can anyone please tell me if there is a formal name for this take down that would assist me in explaining this application to others and researching it further? I think the pivot point is a bit high to be considered a Byobudaoishi.  Would it still be classed as a Kubi-Wa? as the fulcrum is so high on the body?

Thanks for your time

Iain Abernethy
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Scott McCallum wrote:
At 13:08 there is a hip throw straight out of kushanku, Can anyone please tell me if there is a formal name for this take down that would assist me in explaining this application to others and researching it further? I think the pivot point is a bit high to be considered a Byobudaoishi. Would it still be classed as a Kubi-Wa? as the fulcrum is so high on the body?

Cool looking throw isn’t it :-) I’d say it was not Byobu daoshi (“topple a folding screen”) because the throw is over the hip; where as Byobu daoshi (or o-soto-gari as it is more commonly known) uses the leg to reap the enemy’s leg. I’d also not classify it as Kubi Wa (“neck ring”) because the arm goes under the enemy’s lead arm, as opposed to encircling the neck.

For those not familiar with the throws Byobu daoshi and Kubi Wa, they are two of the nine throws Gichin Funakoshi shows in Karate-Do Kyohan (see images below). The top one is Funakoshi and Otsuka (founder of Wado-Ryu) showing Byobu daoshi and the bottom one is Kubi Wa.

My own take on these throws can be found in these videos:

Byobu daoshi

Kubi Wa

As to what would be the correct name for the throw shown at 13:08, I’m sure there will be a whole host of alternatives. It’s not a commonly used throw in judo etc (probably due to the fact the possibility of a “bad” landing) but it maybe used in some of the more traditional jujutsu schools? Anyone here aware of a Japanese term in common use for the throw? It’s a kind of “backward hip throw” so, in the absence of a term in common use maybe something like Kōhō-Goshi? I’m sure our Japanese speakers will be able to suggest something better.

All the best,

Iain

ky0han
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Hi Scott,

I would maybe opt for Jūdōs Ō Soto Guruma (大外車). The throw shown above is more with the hips though but maybe it is close enough.

Cool the site don't only allow Kanji but macrons too. Splendid. :o)

Regards Holger

Scott McCallum
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Thank you, both. I love exploring the pragmatic bunkai but lack the vocabulary when it comes to the throws to explain my interpretations to others and this will assist greatly.

Scott

unclefester
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Kubi Wa looks very much like a Tai Otoshi or body drop throw

Dale Parker
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I'd call that a reverse Tai Otoshi.  Gyaku Tai Otoshi.