How to take a full power kick to the groin? (Eye watering video!)

Here's what I see with that throat strike. 

The strike using the webspace between the thumb and 2nd finger allows much of the impact to be absorbed by the sternocleidomastoid muscles of the neck.  Those are the strap like muscles that border the trachea and extend from the base of the skull down to the suprasternal notch.  building up those muscles give a bit of a 'sidebuffer' to the trachea, and and actually give some cushion to a frontal imipact if they are built up.  However, there is really no muscular protection directly over the trachea and larynx.  I imagine that the results would be far different if you used a vertical spearhand to hit the trachea directly...

LOL

Got to question the sanity of anyone who stands and takes a kick in the nuts.

As to taking damage to the throat, even more insane IMO.  I'm no THOR but the people I've kicked in the nuts and/or punched in the throat were definately not able to continue their attacks.  Obviously they weren't KI masters ... 

Gary

Reminds me of being at school (early eighties)and boys being boys would wait till one of their mates were stood leaning against a  wall with their legs slightly apart and as they walked past they would  knee them in the nads right to the bone. The pain was unbelievable. It then turned into 'i'm so going to get you back' time so we had teenage lads kneeing each  other in the cods  left right and centre. To this day I can still remember the pain and if any one suggested in a class that we should try a kick in the cods I would pass.

I would go with Gary says  in that I couldn't do anything(couldn't even speak) after I got knee'd in the nads other than grab them and  count them and make sure they were still there with an expression of 'shock and awe' at the pain I was in.lol

Dont like mysticism in martial arts it does it no favours...sometimes you can just smell the bullsh** oozing out to the cameras...body conditioning always needs mental strength and courage to withstand any impact ....in martial arts you only need the 20-80 rule for success...that is 20 percent of what you learn will produce 80 percent of benificial outcome.......[probably  ]. humble opinion only..... ime not a doubter i live and breathe martial arts, but have had to witness and listen to so much c**p over the years about secret this and mystical that, ancient sources for the chosen few etc my cynisism rose to the top...but ime alright now 

yours in budo

peace and harmony pyung ahn

steve

Anyone know where to find videos of these guys in real fights?  I though one of them fought in one of the early UFC's and got chocked out, but I can't find it anywhere.  I would like to see any video of this used in a real fight.

Sometimes I hate Google.

Dom

It's the same as all the shaolin monk tricks....slight of hand and physics....a bit of conditioning...no big deal.

Iron shirt training etc.....tricks.

Chris.

Hi All,

Having been doing martial arts for over ten years now i can say that nothing here is new or impressive. Most of the shots to the body could easily be taken by anyone who has done physical conditioning whether you are kyokushin/kickboxing/kung fu etc. I have also spent ten months in China seeing all these "mystical" feats. I would like to suggest that people here watch Derren Brown do any of his shows to see similer acts of hypnotic suggestion a very good control of his own mind. Notice how all these students have to 'prepare' themselves before being hit. On a TV show called "Mind Body and Kick Ass Moves" Chris Crudelli shows some of these himself but states that he wouldn't be doing that "down the pub".

I love it when the narrater said "after five years and thousands of kicks to the nuts", wouldn't a simple side step have been easier?

Neil
p.s The bloke who got kicked in the nuts bust be mental, no sane man would ASK to kicked in the crown jewels.

Neil Cook wrote:

 Notice how all these students have to 'prepare' themselves before being hit.

And that's what makes the whole thing a waste of good grub.

Remember what happened to Houdini!

Gary

Have you noticed the alarming obesity that frequently affects those guys who claim to have developed "their personal martial art" or to have achieved "their full potential"? Is that a by-product of the accumulation of chi in their stomach? People who train regularly tend to be in good shape more often than not. Please somebody explain.

PS: the man with calcified jewels is crazy. Period.

evan.yeung wrote:

Here's what I see with that throat strike. 

The strike using the webspace between the thumb and 2nd finger allows much of the impact to be absorbed by the sternocleidomastoid muscles of the neck.  Those are the strap like muscles that border the trachea and extend from the base of the skull down to the suprasternal notch.  building up those muscles give a bit of a 'sidebuffer' to the trachea, and and actually give some cushion to a frontal imipact if they are built up.  However, there is really no muscular protection directly over the trachea and larynx.  I imagine that the results would be far different if you used a vertical spearhand to hit the trachea directly...

there was another clip from the same show where that 6'8 MMA fighter hit's the guy with a shuto to the throat and not a web hand strike.  The blow was measured around 650 lbs. of force to it.

diadicic wrote:

Anyone know where to find videos of these guys in real fights?  I though one of them fought in one of the early UFC's and got chocked out, but I can't find it anywhere.  I would like to see any video of this used in a real fight.

Sometimes I hate Google.

Dom

There was a fighter in UFC 7 named Ryan Parker who claimed to be an iron shirt person.  He lost by gi choke to Remco Pardoe (sp?). 

Enrico wrote:

Have you noticed the alarming obesity that frequently affects those guys who claim to have developed "their personal martial art" or to have achieved "their full potential"? Is that a by-product of the accumulation of chi in their stomach? People who train regularly tend to be in good shape more often than not. Please somebody explain.

LOL

That made me spit my coffee out.  I think some people just live the dream (and eat the pies).  In any event this setting yourself before a strike is just so (searches for inoffensive word ...) STUPID. 

I wonder if it works against a knife or a broken bottle?  If it's the only trick they've got they might come up short in a real brawl.  I'll take a bet on fitness over chi any day of the week, at least you can run like ****

Gary

Damn!

Is it only me who'se impressed here?

What I'd really like to see is someone getting ready for a strike to the throat...and then the striker kick them in the plums instead.

See if that fazes 'em!

I think i have something usefull to contribute to this discussion, all being personal oppions from me:

Martialart - martialsport - the idea is what your training will prepare you to do and what not to do, what to expect to develop or not to.

Look at this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-5SVkgRTVs (can someone help me insert it directly into the thread). I think we all know who Genki Sudo is - these guys can definately take alot of punishment! Its "all" about the mindset and the ability to control "fear". Look at some of the systema guys.

I have recently taken up the concept of Kote Aite (pain absorbing techniques). Because i saw a developement of my own ability to control pain and fear, derived from the indirect training - but i still need alot - so if i can focus on this and make it more specifik and controlled - i think i will be able to transfer the output of the training to a fighting situation.

Perspectivating: If you train Kote Aite (pain absorbing techniques), it is - as everything, important to what the goal is - i see the above video by Iain and the video from Juko Kai i have posted more as a personal developement, and the ability to comprehend "crazy" goals, through martialarts. Just like it could be a nice feat to perfom a 100 pushups.

Personally i would and do any day, preffer to train Kote Aite, like the systema guys does - no need to prepare, they just get wacked, battered and beaten - mostly when unprepared. If someone wish me to elaborate i can do so - but perhaps this should be in a different thread?

Anyways, i flinch far less from bumps and sudden pain in everyday life, such as my girlfriend accidently wacking a knee in my nuts, dropping pots and pans per accident on my feet, standing up straight into an open shelf or getting wacked by my squash partner, with the raquet. (yes im pretty unlucky everyday standard!). But i have over the years stopped flinching, but i think its because of the different pain tresholds. Again different thread?

Hope it was of use.

Best of luck with your training

Nikolaj F. Skarbye