I hope to be able to get in contact with persons, who has trained Motobu Udundi Ryu? (Okinawan martial art from the time of the Ryukyu Kingdom. It was once referred to as ushu-ganashi-mē no bugei, or "his majesty's martial art.") - I am specifically interested in the Tuiti part of this System. (In 1961, Uehara sensei named this style Motobu-ryu in honor of his master Motobu Choyu sensei).
I have had a lot of trouble placing the old techniques I currently work on from the Heian katas, in a specific system or "type" of system.
No systems or techniques I found used these Non-aggressive techniques, without Tsuki-Te (Punch), without traditional use of Blocks (Ukes), with the closeness of the opponent to you, with the "moving your opponent around you, instead of you moving around your opponent", with the extensive and powerful use of the hips, the extensive use of what seems like variations on Morotte Uke in very straight lines that precisely matches the directions of the movements in the arms in the traditional karate versions of the katas, with the extensive use of the opponent's elbow and wrist to manipulate his body, without letting go of your opponents wrist and elbow before the finishing technique was done, with at least two simultaneous parts of your body always supporting each other in the Countering and Releasing phases, using a lot of intermediary dachies and so on.
The techniques differentiate on a basic level to all systems I knew or had seen. That is until I got a link from Kiwikarateka in relation to a question about the name of the Pulling hand (Hike-te) and Pushing hand (Oshi-te, thanks Kiwikarateka).
He referenced the above Ryu, and it seems that the general descriptions of the Tuiti part of this Ryu is actually spot on to the techniques I am working on, and suggest answers to a lot of the Why, How, When, Where, Why not questions I had as well.
So I am looking for further knowledge about the technical aspects of these Tuiti techniques (Not just the versions with grips high in the air, but also grips at waist level, which is not shown in the videos) if at all possible, and hopefully a further detailing of the historical events describing the history of this Ruy, or any other help in advancing this study?
One of the most pressing questions I had was "How did Itosu Anko Sensei know about these techniques when he created the Heian katas - they are so different from other Traditional Okinawa Karate techniques, even differrent from the old (Tode/Tomai-di?) techniques from the katas the Heian/Pinan katas are build upon - and why are they not represented or shown in any other system active today?"
(I have combined different sections from the homepage linked above in this section)
Motobu udundi is an Okinawan martial art from the time of the Ryukyu Kingdom. It was once referred to as ushu-ganashi-mē no bugei, or "his majesty's martial art." The current name comes from the fact that it was passed down through the noble Motobu family of the udun rank, with the di coming from ti, meaning bujutsu--martial art--in Ryukyuan.
Motobu udundi is considered a "general" martial art in that it makes use of punching and kicking striking techniques, joint locking and throwing techniques known as tuiti, and a variety of weapons.
In the time of the Ryukyu Kingdom, it was taught only in the confines of the palace and the secrets of the art were received only by the heirs of the Motobu Udun. They would begin their training in udundi from the age of six, and would generally continue until their coming of age at 15.
From a young age, Motobu Choyu sensei was taught Motobu udundi by his father. In order to broaden his learning, he also studied various kinds of karate from instructors called to his home, such as Matsumura Sokon sensei and Itosu Anko sensei. Along with his younger brother Choki sensei and friend Yabu Kentsu sensei, he studied Tomari-te (tomai-di) at the home of Matsumora Kosaku
Among the Ryukyuan royalty, use of tuiti was passed down in secret only among the Motobu Udun.
Since tuiti was originally transmitted orally only from a master to one of his children, Itosu sensei likely became aware of its existence on his visits to the home of the Motobu Udun to teach karate.
Motobu Choyu Sensei was born in 1857, the eldest son of Motobu Aji Choshin.
Choyu sensei knew up to 30 kata and, of course, the use of weapons. He was also a talented horseman and was known to go on long rides from Shuri to the village of Yomitan. At that time, there was no one whose knowledge of the martial arts was as wide and deep as his.
(During a later time than the above), Uehara sensei (Student of Motobu Choyu sensei I think), heeded his master’s injunction not to teach udundi to anyone outside of the Motobu family. While he did teach tuiti to some shihan, to other students he only taught karate using udundi-style strikes and kicks.
The te-waza in tuiti are believed to arise from applied variations on three hand positions that correspond to those used in the classical Ryukyuan court dances: oshi-te (forward push hands), ogami-te (supplication hands), and koneri-te (kneading hands).
The names of these hand positions appear in the earliest collection of Ryukyuan poetry, Omorosaushi (1531-1623), and they seem to have been gestures used in rituals and ceremony in ancient Okinawa.
These gestures are said to have been incorporated into the court dances by Tamagusuku Chokun (born 1684), who was connected to the Motobu Udun.
These dances were originally entertainment for only the aristocracy, so were almost never seen or learned by commoners or even lower-ranking members of the military class responsible for teaching karate.
This would explain why tuiti cannot be found in Okinawan karate.
Also (and this is an ongoing discussion with Iain about the philosophy that are of the basis of the Heian katas, if they are Agressive or Non-aggressive in their nature - and Why any one would even think of creating a self defence system that was "non-aggressive" in its nature?:
The aim of tuiti is to subdue an opponent without causing harm, in the spirit of royal benevolence.
There are a lot of other elements pointing to this Ryu being connected with these old techniques from the Heian Katas, ie:
A number of characteristics differentiate Okinawan tuiti from aiki jūjutsu. First, the waza of tuiti are generally applied from the palm side of the hand rather than the back of the hand.
Second, tuiti waza employ linear movement whereas aiki jūjutsu emphasizes circular motion.
There is also no za-waza--aiki-style seated defense--in tuiti.
Also different is that kamae is not done with the rear hand in hiki-te, but with the rear hand touching the elbow of the forward arm in a kamae called me-oto-de, or "husband and wife hands."
the way attacks are handled; while evading an attack with the body, the counter consists of simultaneous offensive and defensive actions
In attacking and defending, the chest is lifted and movement occurs from the belly, with the feet moving smoothly in any direction.
The Motobu arts do not ascribe to the general principle that “karate begins with a block (uke) and ends with a strike (tsuki).”
In addition, Motobu udundi does not apply techniques meant purely for blocking, such as soto-uke, uchi-uke, or gedan-barai.
And finally - why would a Kata contain "two" katas? ... What inspired Itosu Anko sensei to do this when he created the katas, or worked with the katas - or when he Adapted the Katas for use in the Middle school where he was employed, if this is the case at all?
Finally, in terms of advanced teachings, Motobu udundi has a “dance” ti called bu no mai, or “martial dance.”
Similar to how karate waza are concealed in kata, udundi has advanced techniques like tuiti "hidden" in dance.
There is a poem by master Choyu which reads, “Do not take the dancing of the aji at face value, for within are the hidden waza." In this, he expresses the essence of bu no mai.
I would suggest, that the Heian katas contain a series of these "simpler" Tuiti techniques than shown in the videos, based on a non-aggressive system, describing how a non-trained attacker/conflict can be handled without harming the attacker unnecessarily in the process.
This would be counter to their own description though, that says "Since Motobu udundi had no kata originally", but either the use of Heian katas is not widely known, or it could be seen as there have been several times where the knowledge of the entire style was located on a single individual, it could be suggested that there was a chance that the above knowledge was somehow lost over time?
Again - this is currently just a suggestion - a theory, but I would really like some help in getting further with these studies, both in knowledge about this Ruy, the period, the techniques - and finally someone to shoot some videos of the Heian katas with, when done through these techniques. (Also to shoot and explain the "translation manual/Rules" for getting from traditional Shotokan techniques as shown in the Heian katas, to these "simpler versions" of these Tuiti techniques, meant for selfdefence against a non-martialarts trained attacker)
Sorry for the long post - I hope it will be well received :)...