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PBolton
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HAPV and female offenders

I have been trying to find research and statistics on female HAPV without much success.  For example, men generally don't pull hair, but females will grab the hair and pull the other to the ground. Can anyone give me some direction on where to look? 

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You might want to check out this thread where I repeat Jeff Nash's HAOV list which I used with his permission in my first book. I have a similar list without weighting in my Pinan Flow System books and in my forthcoming book. It's been a few months since I've done a trawl but I am unaware of any reputable large survey indicating a breakdown of the nature of violent attacks by sex of the attacker. Data is available on percentage of attacks that are male offender / female offender / mixed offender but the precise nature of attacks has never been thoroughly recorded and published. 

https://www.iainabernethy.co.uk/content/violent-crime-hapv-statistics

Hope that helps,  

John Titchen

PBolton
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Thank you John, I appreciate it.

Kevin73
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Try to go to youtube and watch female fights on there.  Working in Corrections/LE for almost 20 years, I can state that hair pulling is almost a go to move and also biting in most cases.

As far as "build up", not much different than guy fights.  Some cases were straight up assaults (suckerpunch type attacks) or posturing, word exchanges first.  Not a lot of pushing back and forth like guys tend to do working up to it, but you see slaps as a precursor that you don't see in guy fights.

Again, only based on my limited experience, others may vary based on location etc.

Iain Abernethy
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I don’t have access to my books at the moment, but there is a Finnish book I have (written in English) that did a thorough examination of a large amount of publically available footage. I met the author at a seminar, but I can’t recall the title of the book. It's spiral bound and has a grey cover. Maybe someone here knows?

I know exactly where the book is, but everything is boxed up at the moment as I get things ready for the new arrival. It does look at the most common occurrences in male/male, male/female, and female/female altercations. A good book.

Not much help really until I can get to my books, but hopefully someone may know what I’m referring to and be able to give more details?

All the best,

Iain

PBolton
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Kevin73 wrote:

Try to go to youtube and watch female fights on there.  Working in Corrections/LE for almost 20 years, I can state that hair pulling is almost a go to move and also biting in most cases.

As far as "build up", not much different than guy fights.  Some cases were straight up assaults (suckerpunch type attacks) or posturing, word exchanges first.  Not a lot of pushing back and forth like guys tend to do working up to it, but you see slaps as a precursor that you don't see in guy fights.

Again, only based on my limited experience, others may vary based on location etc.

Thank you for your insights. I tend to think the build up for women is more mental than physical so that when the physical part starts, it's more explosive.

PBolton
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Iain Abernethy wrote:

I don’t have access to my books at the moment, but there is a Finnish book I have (written in English) that did a thorough examination of a large amount of publically available footage. I met the author at a seminar, but I can’t recall the title of the book. It's spiral bound and has a grey cover. Maybe someone here knows?

I know exactly where the book is, but everything is boxed up at the moment as I get things ready for the new arrival. It does look at the most common occurrences in male/male, male/female, and female/female altercations. A good book.

Not much help really until I can get to my books, but hopefully someone may know what I’m referring to and be able to give more details?

I would love to get a hold of that book! When you have time, if you could get me the name of it, I would very much appreciate it.

Marc
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Iain Abernethy wrote:

I know exactly where the book is, but everything is boxed up at the moment as I get things ready for the new arrival. It does look at the most common occurrences in male/male, male/female, and female/female altercations. A good book.

That sounds very interesting. Please, when you unbox your books (in about three years, because a baby requires some attention), can you give us title and author?

Iain Abernethy
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Marc wrote:
That sounds very interesting. Please, when you unbox your books (in about three years, because a baby requires some attention), can you give us title and author?

Finally found it!

https://www.finna.fi/Record/vaski.2911547

The book is called, “We’ll get you next week! A statistical and descriptive study of violent encounters based on video footage analysis. A Preliminary Report” by Jyrki Talonen.

Blurb: “The widespread use of information technology and filming instruments over the last few years has created an unprecedented amount of material on various spontaneous violent encounters in daily life. Yet the kind of broad analysis found in this report has not been previously done. This study sought answers to questions about what happens in violent encounters of everyday life, and in particular, what happens before, during and after a violent encounter. In addition to examining the reactions of the people involved, and the situation, the reasons why people behaved a certain way in violent encounters was also analyzed. In this study, statistical and descriptive analysis was used to analyze more than 2,300 violent encounters from video footage.”

Well worth checking out!

All the best,

Iain