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Zach Zinn
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Karate/Self Defense Clinch and Framing Drills for Reflex Bag

You can run these on a heavy bag too of course, but they aren't as interesting without something that bounces around like this, sorry about the glare, I make these as much for myself and my students as anything and just share them.

Frazatto
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Hey, I really liked that!

Pining the adversary throat against the wall wile you go lower seams super functional for control, even if he tries a clinch you are mid way to slip taking his balance off.

I also like you almost always approach the target diagonally, it took me WAY to long to understand why going straight is not very smart most of the time.

It maybe the recording frame of reference, but it seams to me your left elbow strikes are much more effective, maybe the right ones take too much time trying to invert the position? Or are you considering he tries to escape and you grab the neck to stop him?

Zach Zinn
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Thanks!

The closest limb is usually going to hit first, a lead elbow is much faster than a rear one, because there is less distance to the target, just like a lead hook vs a rear hook, different range/position, different use, the lead elbow is a short, fast strike, the rear one is more like a reverse punch and covers more space.

Sometimes I work "unattached" elbow srikes too, and you can time it to make the index/elbow happen at almost the same time with this bag, but that is sort of pointless with this piece of equipment because if you do that, then the elbows just function like blocks, because it is coming straight at you. It's also timing that, in my experience, does not happen much in real usage outside of some isolated elbow sparring drills.

Another limitation of this piece of equipment of course with clinch stuff is that it does not have limbs, but is essentially a head and centerline that moves around a lot, so you have to work within those parameters, which has it's plusses and minuses.

One cool thing about how I have this set up is that you have to use angles if you bounce it off a wall. It's not obvious watching the video, but if you stand directly in front of it it will bounce back and hit you fairly quickly, so either blocking or moving is paramount - that's one my favorite things about this piece of equipment set up this way. It's a lot more dyanmic than a heavy bag or something like that in terms of demanding you defend yourself a little, though I don't know that it's that obvious from the video.

If you own one, try it, you will see what I mean.

 

Frazatto
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Zach Zinn wrote:
Another limitation of this piece of equipment of course with clinch stuff is that it does not have limbs, but is essentially a head and centerline that moves around a lot, so you have to work within those parameters, which has it's plusses and minuses.

Is that something you would like to improve? I'm a Maker, I have ideas muahahahhahaha

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Frazatto wrote:

Zach Zinn wrote:
Another limitation of this piece of equipment of course with clinch stuff is that it does not have limbs, but is essentially a head and centerline that moves around a lot, so you have to work within those parameters, which has it's plusses and minuses.

Is that something you would like to improve? I'm a Maker, I have ideas muahahahhahaha

I've tried attaching pool noodles to it, believe it or not, but what ends up happening is just that you adjust your position to be inside or outside the limb, I may play around with that more. The other limitation of this piece of gear though is that you have to move at the rhythm it sets,  which means that sometimes you have to do somewhat "unnatural" things because you need to break it's rhythm. I mean, it is not created for this kind of work so it's all experimentation.

Frazatto
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Ok!

Yes, pull noodles is the way, what you are probably missing is the L shape of the arms and/or a square shoulder.

Get yourself a hot glue gun, cut the noodles in the angles you wish to make and try to piece things together until you find a shape that "feels right".

This may be enough, but I'm guessing you will feel the need for some weight and rigidity. Get yourself some thin and light weight pipes and make it fit on the noodles. I don't think you will need more rigid joints, but we will find out eventually  lol

Regarding the movement of the equipment, how exactly would you wish it to behave?

Strap it to the ceiling with some bungy cords may do the trick.

Zach Zinn
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Frazatto wrote:

Ok!

Yes, pull noodles is the way, what you are probably missing is the L shape of the arms and/or a square shoulder.

Get yourself a hot glue gun, cut the noodles in the angles you wish to make and try to piece things together until you find a shape that "feels right".

This may be enough, but I'm guessing you will feel the need for some weight and rigidity. Get yourself some thin and light weight pipes and make it fit on the noodles. I don't think you will need more rigid joints, but we will find out eventually  lol

Yeah I have a few ideas, I also don't want to ruin the thing though, I may try to rig up something that can be detached with bent pool noodles, as you say.

e wrote:
Regarding the movement of the equipment, how exactly would you wish it to behave?

Strap it to the ceiling with some bungy cords may do the trick.

I don't really want it to do anything differently, it just has it's limits like any piece of equipment. It did take me a while to figure out ways of using it that I liked, but now that I have I value it.