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Lionel Froidure
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Jion Introduction

Hello Guys,

Here is my latest video about this time the first sequence of Jion.

Aiming to the point that it's important, in my point of view, to focus on the entry of the technique rather than the finality. With a "good" entry, you can do plenty things. Lets me know what you think about it.

Don't forget to turn on subtitles as I am talking french.

Cheers

Iain Abernethy
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Very nice! I agree with the wider point about the kata putting you in a position to finish as necessary too. We don’t need to slavishly follow the kata; we can impact and escape as required.

While I like what is shown, the opening would contravene one of my personal rules of bunkai (and which is reflected in Mabuni’s writing): The angle in the kata show the angle taken relative to the enemy. So, while the kata does the first motion straight forward, your application has you assume a 90-degree angle. I would therefore expect the motion to be performed at 90-degrees if this was the original intent.

My three key tests for bunkai are:

1) It works (most important!).

2) It is true to the kata.

3) it is not at variance with anything the past masters told us about the nature of kata.

I feel what is shown would work and it does follow the kata, but it would be contrary to what Mabuni said about angles (also reflected by Motobu when taking about Naihanchi (Tekki) i.e. the sideways motion means we take a sideways position to the enemy).

Here is my take on the start:

 

As I say, I like what you show … but simply wanted to give my own thoughts and provide an alternative view.

All the best,

Iain

Mark B
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My takes on this/these sequences.

Mark B
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I didn't have time when I posted my video yesterday to explain my take on things. I agree with Iain that the Kata doesn't actually teach a 90 degree shift, so to take up that position is not really what that sequence is teaching. What you can do however as I demonstrate is to receive THEIR energy and use the entry to press so that THEY move 90 degrees or thereabouts to YOU. Then, as has been mentioned it's a case of what If? I demonstrate a few entries from the opening motion which can all be supported by the two 45 degree sequences depending on how things evolve. Regards

Lionel Froidure
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Iain Abernethy wrote:

As I say, I like what you show … but simply wanted to give my own thoughts and provide an alternative view.

Hi Iain, 

Thanks for your input. Don't worry, I don't feel any bad feeling on your saying. I appreciate the input. Like you said, it provides an alternative point of view.  I am sharing one way, not THE way. Also like your video too. That's what I like in this community. Everyone can learn for everybody, just need to listen and think about it. 

Have a great day. 

Lionel

Iain Abernethy
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Lionel Froidure wrote:
I am sharing one way, not THE way. Also like your video too. That's what I like in this community. Everyone can learn for everybody, just need to listen and think about it.

Thank you! That’s always the aim :-) We add to the collective knowledge pool so our fellow karateka can take what the need. Karate as a whole then benefits.

In keeping with this idea, I shared your video on Facebook yesterday:

https://www.facebook.com/iainabernethy/posts/1639858219404754

Got a lot of likes :-)

All the best,

Iain

dhogsette
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I don't do this kata, so I'm in no position to comment on specifics, as others have done so well. I just really, really, really like the smooth linking of the sequence in application and the decisive, effective limb control. These are skills that I'm working more on and trying to get my students to develop. Nicely done! I also like the sweep option, since the enemy is already leaning backward--take him down, quick strike, and get away. Very cool. 

Best,

David